AAAAAAARGH. LJ ate my comment, which was like 1000 words long!! Let’s try this again.
Because the meaning of the sex is exactly the same - it's just that Viggo knows it, while Sean's the one denying it.
See, this is what I don’t believe. For other Seans of yours, yes, but not for this one.
His concept of love imo is rather close to the one of courtly love in the middle ages. In German literature we differentiate between “Hohe Minne” and “Niedere Minne” (Minne being the old word for love; ‘hohe Minne’ is basically identical with courtly love, whereas ‘niedere Minne’ might be translated as ‘common love’ maybe). The idea of Hohe Minne is to idealize a woman and worship her; she is all that is good in the world, is the embodiment of all values deemed good, is practically the Virgin Mary. She is NOT (which is where the bit about VIRGIN Mary ties in) there to have sex with. Because sex is something from this world, something animalistic and raw (not necessarily evil or dirty, but DIFFERENT). Now, even middle ages Germans had sex and wrote about it, that’s what Niedere Minne is for. Niedere Minne is basically dirty limericks about the passing delight that is fucking, nothing to feel bad about, just something to amuse yourself with. Both concepts existed alongside one another and in a way complemented one another, they did not, however, mingle.
Viggo’s concept of love is VASTLY different; it’s pretty much romanticism’s definition of love as something unique, shared by two individuals on all levels (physically as well as emotionally). If you just took Sean’s concept of “Hohe Minne”, they would work (I’m not saying that mutual idealization to the point of complete ignorance of reality is a healthy thing, but it at least would be the same for both of them). But take sex into the equation and it all goes to shambles.
In my eyes, to Sean sex is always a means to an end, whether that’s getting off, relieving stress, making babies, or comforting someone. It’s not bad or evil or anything, but it’s how I think he feels about it.
His reaction to Viggo and the bearded woman imo didn’t spring from simple jealousy, in that case it wouldn’t have interested me (jealousy is SUCH a boring trope). It sprung from something else. Now, Sean being so casual to have sex with Karl in a semi-public place, that I believe. Viggo unable to keep his fling with the bearded woman a secret, not so much. I think what made Sean so angry here wasn’t that Viggo was having sex with someone else, it was that in his opinion (because everything naturally is about Sean :)), Viggo did it to prove a point, to hurt him, to teach him a lesson. Sean knew, after their mountaintop conversation, that Viggo was royally pissed with him and I think by then he got that it was because of Karl (not that he really understood WHY Viggo was pissed about that, but he got that he WAS). So, to me, Sean wasn’t angry because he was jealous, he was angry because he thought Viggo was deliberately trying to hurt him the way he, Viggo, felt Sean had hurt him. .
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Because the meaning of the sex is exactly the same - it's just that Viggo knows it, while Sean's the one denying it.
See, this is what I don’t believe. For other Seans of yours, yes, but not for this one.
His concept of love imo is rather close to the one of courtly love in the middle ages. In German literature we differentiate between “Hohe Minne” and “Niedere Minne” (Minne being the old word for love; ‘hohe Minne’ is basically identical with courtly love, whereas ‘niedere Minne’ might be translated as ‘common love’ maybe). The idea of Hohe Minne is to idealize a woman and worship her; she is all that is good in the world, is the embodiment of all values deemed good, is practically the Virgin Mary. She is NOT (which is where the bit about VIRGIN Mary ties in) there to have sex with. Because sex is something from this world, something animalistic and raw (not necessarily evil or dirty, but DIFFERENT). Now, even middle ages Germans had sex and wrote about it, that’s what Niedere Minne is for. Niedere Minne is basically dirty limericks about the passing delight that is fucking, nothing to feel bad about, just something to amuse yourself with. Both concepts existed alongside one another and in a way complemented one another, they did not, however, mingle.
Viggo’s concept of love is VASTLY different; it’s pretty much romanticism’s definition of love as something unique, shared by two individuals on all levels (physically as well as emotionally). If you just took Sean’s concept of “Hohe Minne”, they would work (I’m not saying that mutual idealization to the point of complete ignorance of reality is a healthy thing, but it at least would be the same for both of them). But take sex into the equation and it all goes to shambles.
In my eyes, to Sean sex is always a means to an end, whether that’s getting off, relieving stress, making babies, or comforting someone. It’s not bad or evil or anything, but it’s how I think he feels about it.
His reaction to Viggo and the bearded woman imo didn’t spring from simple jealousy, in that case it wouldn’t have interested me (jealousy is SUCH a boring trope). It sprung from something else. Now, Sean being so casual to have sex with Karl in a semi-public place, that I believe. Viggo unable to keep his fling with the bearded woman a secret, not so much. I think what made Sean so angry here wasn’t that Viggo was having sex with someone else, it was that in his opinion (because everything naturally is about Sean :)), Viggo did it to prove a point, to hurt him, to teach him a lesson. Sean knew, after their mountaintop conversation, that Viggo was royally pissed with him and I think by then he got that it was because of Karl (not that he really understood WHY Viggo was pissed about that, but he got that he WAS). So, to me, Sean wasn’t angry because he was jealous, he was angry because he thought Viggo was deliberately trying to hurt him the way he, Viggo, felt Sean had hurt him.
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