evocates: (Real: Viggo - With one glance)
• just another dreamer • ([personal profile] evocates) wrote2012-12-16 05:47 pm

[FIC] RPF: casual/causality [2/3]

Part I

Part II

Sean loved his job. He loved acting. He loved Tolkien. It was a dream come true to take this job and he had almost gotten into an accident when he first heard the news. He even loved this country that had the most beautiful sunsets that made his hands ache for watercolours, and landscapes that had him reaching for charcoals that he hadn’t touched for years.

He fucking hated these mountains.

Sean growled underneath his breath as he watched everyone else pile into the helicopters. There was still more than a week (or more, if PJ was unhappy) left of the Caradhas scenes to shoot. He wasn’t complaining about the mountains exactly -- they were perfect for the descriptions that Tolkien had written for Caradhas -- but he was usually irritated at the end of the day. He had snow stuck in places that snow was never supposed to go, his limbs ached from the cold... and there was still a long way down for him to walk before he could get to the ski lift. Then he would have to drive back to his hotel. No matter what time they finished shooting, it would be dark before he reached it.

Of course, all of his problems would be solved if he took the helicopter. But Sean was would be damned if he was going to endure sitting in a tiny round box while the skies shuddered around him due to the turbulence. He sighed and slung Boromir’s shield behind his back. The only good thing about this was that Boromir’s uneasiness came to him easier than ever. Sean had never been the kind of actor who felt exactly as how his character felt, but he couldn’t deny that this made doing his job easier either.

“Sean, wait.”

He blinked, turning around. Viggo was standing behind him, thumbs hooked over Aragorn’s belt. The wind of the departing helicopter made his wig fly all over his face, making him look more like the dishevelled Ranger more than ever.

“I thought yer going with the rest,” Sean shouted back. The helicopter was loud; another reason to not take it.

Viggo jogged over to him. “What?” He had to yell to make himself heard, his hand shoving his hair backwards.

Sean waited until the helicopter had moved off the cliff before he repeated himself. Viggo shrugged, “I figured that I’ll keep you company as you walk down.”

“Alright,” Sean said. They hadn’t spoken for some time. He couldn’t help but think that all of his current irritations were hidden blessings, because Boromir’s disquiet about Aragorn was almost exactly what Sean felt towards Viggo as well.

They walked in silence for a long while. Sean couldn’t help but feel agitated, as if there were ants crawling up and down his skin. He couldn’t figure out Viggo’s heavy silence, and he wondered why the other man would bother taking the long road with him down when he wasn’t going to talk. Then he realised how strange the thought was, because he and Viggo had spent long hours without a single word spoken to each other, whether smoking, drinking, watching football or making art together. They were used to each other’s quiet, and Sean realised with a start that this was the first time that he was discomfited that Viggo wasn’t saying anything.

Damnit, he should have known that having sex with a castmate was a bad idea. It never led to anything good -- just look at his marriage with Abby for example. No, Sean corrected himself. No, he wouldn’t give Evie up for anything in the world. But there was no chance he would ever marry Viggo, so he always thought it understood that what they had between them was just an arrangement for the sake of convenience.

Now Viggo had him thinking in circles. Sean couldn’t help but grit his teeth and shove Boromir’s shield further up his shoulders. Feeling so off-centred was enough to piss anyone off, he reckoned.

“Have you spoken to Karl lately?”

Sean was so caught up in his thoughts that it took a few seconds for him to realise that Viggo was talking. He blinked, turning.

“What?” He rubbed the back of his head. “Nah, I haven’t. Have you?”

“No,” Viggo said quietly. His thumbs were still hooked in Aragorn’s belt. If he was wearing jeans, Sean knew that his hands would be shoved into the pockets. “I thought you would be.”

“Why?” Sean looked back to the road. The cliff was coming up; they would have to climb down soon. Maybe Viggo would shut up then.

“You were the one fucking him, weren’t you?”

Sean frowned. Viggo’s question sounded calm, almost too casual, and it made him hiss. The cold turned his breath into a fog, and he used that as an excuse to not look at the other man. “I didn’t realise that fucking someone means I’m now his keeper.”

“No, I guess not.”

They fell silent again, but only for a few seconds before Sean whirled around. He stormed over to Viggo, boots crunching on snow.

“Look,” Sean said, frustration creeping into his voice. “You want to tell me what the hell yer getting at?”

Viggo’s eyes were blue, coloured by the clear skies over head. He looked at Sean for a long moment, the silence stretching between them until Sean wanted to reach out and shake him. But he shrugged before Sean could say a word, shoulders far too tense for the movement to seem smooth in any way.

“Nothing,” Viggo said, voice soft. “I’m not getting at anything.”

Sean threw up his hands. “Christ,” he blurted out. “Could you behave any more like a whiny woman? You sound worse than me wife.”

“Right, of course, I almost forgot,” Viggo shot back, acidic. Sean froze at the sudden venom in his voice, and he could feel his own anger rise, burning in his chest, choking in his throat.

“How’s the divorce going, Sean?”

Sean stared at him, all the words drained out of him. His hands shook at his sides. He took a long deep breath before his fingers darted forward, fisting Aragorn’s tunic as he dragged him forward.

“Go. Fuck. Yourself.”

Poison dripping off every perfectly enunciated Received Pronunciation word. He let go of Viggo’s tunic and pushed himself backwards. Sean stormed off towards the side of the cliff, grabbing onto the safety harness and strapping it around his waist. He didn’t turn to look if Viggo was doing the same.

Viggo could jump down the damn cliff for all he cared right now.

***

Sean stared out of the window of the cottage. The road was ridiculous, slamming hard against the windows until he couldn’t even see his own reflection in the glass. He smacked his fist against the grill hard before stepping back, sighing.

“Staring at the rain isn’t going to make it stop raining, you know.”

“We won’t be stuck in the damned rain if you didn’t insist on going shopping every single fucking mile we took, Orlando,” Sean said pleasantly.

Orlando snorted, lifting his shoulders up in a shrug. “People need presents for Christmas, Sean.”

“Yeah? And how many of those are wet now, much less trapped in the car?”

He waved a hand. “It’s just the bags that are wet. Jesus, Sean, you’ve become as crotchety as an eighty-year-old woman ever since Viggo left to film Edoras with Karl, Bernard and the rest.”

Sean snorted, but he couldn’t help his shoulders tensing up. “Shooting schedule interrupted me conversation with Bernard, that’s all.”

“I thought Bernard’s talking more to Viggo than to you because you get all tongue-tied when you speak to him,” Orlando said. He stretched out on the couch with all the fearlessness of youth, completely oblivious to the narrowing of Sean’s eyes.

“Yeah? Who told you that?”

“Karl did.”

“You’ve been talking to Karl lately?”

Orlando shrugged. “He’s a nice bloke. And unlike some people, I don’t get all tongue-tied when talking to someone I saw on telly before.”

“Ian,” Sean drawled the name out, and he grinned to himself when Orlando blushed slightly, turning his head away.

“He’s a legend, Sean. That’s totally different.”

“If you say so,” Sean said. He dropped down to the armchair.

Orlando shifted on the couch, finally sitting up. He looked at his hands for a minute, thinking. When he looked up, Sean was instantly suspicious. Who wouldn’t be, when the kid was grinning like he was the cat who had just eaten the cream?

“Hey, you want to know what Karl told me?”

“What, he’d declared his love for you already?” Sean raised an eyebrow.

“Besides that,” Orlando waved a hand. He posed slightly in his seat. “I mean, who wouldn’t, you know what I mean? I’m a handsome fucker, that I am.”

Sean just stared at him. Orlando laughed, rubbing a hand through his shaved head, fingers dragging through the short Mohawk.

“Nah, it’s about Viggo.”

I don’t want to know anything about Viggo, Sean meant to say. Instead, he blurted, “What ‘bout Viggo?”

“Karl said he’s been sleeping with one of the bearded women of Edoras,” Orlando leaned forward, elbows on his knees, the perfect image of someone completely happy to share a bit of gossip about a mutual friend.

Sean’s breath froze in his throat. He closed his eyes and let the air go, hissing through his teeth.

“What?”

“Yeah, Karl told me. He says that it’s weird, because well, if he’s sleeping with Miranda, then that’s no surprise. If he’s sleeping with one of the male extras, that’s no surprise either. But he’s sleeping with one of the bearded ladies, and well, you know, that’s a bit odd.”

Sean looked down on his hands, mildly surprised to find them clenched so hard that his nails were biting into flesh. “Thought you’re more open-minded than that, kid,” he said, and applauding his self-control at sounding so mild.

But Orlando looked up suddenly nonetheless, his eyes narrowing on Sean. “It’s just a bit funny-weird, that’s all.”

“Viggo can sleep with whoever he wants,” Sean said. He sounded perfectly reasonable, he thought. He was even defending Viggo here.

Orlando didn’t say a word. He only continued to look at Sean, head slightly cocked to the side. The silence stretched out between them, broken up periodically by the sound of thunder and rain outside the cottage. Sean met his gaze for a long moment before he twitched just once.

“What?”

“Nothing, really,” Orlando said, but his carefree tone had turned thoughtful. “It’s just that you just reminded me of my ex-girlfriend.”

“What?” Sean repeated.

“Jemma, you know? I’ve talked your ear off about her more than once.” Orlando shrugged. “One time I met her and won’t stop jabbering about this amazing woman I saw on stage and how brilliant she is at acting. And she starts getting all stiff on me like you just did.”

Sean let out an explosive sigh. He shoved himself upwards to stand, striding over to look out of the window.

“Yer full of shit,” he told the glass. He wasn’t entirely sure if the words were aimed towards Orlando, or himself.

“Er, Sean?” Orlando sounded confused. Sometimes Sean was annoyed at the kid. He couldn’t help but be so, really, because he had almost twenty years on Orlando and he was long past the period in his life when he believed that he was immortal and the world revolved around him. He liked Orlando, he really did, but the boy could annoy the shit out of him by being all of twenty-two years ago.

But now, Orlando’s obliviousness was entirely too useful. Sean sighed again, watching as the window fogged up from his breath.

“Nothing,” he said, staring out into the rain.

He could understand if he was angry, because Viggo was being a hypocrite, sleeping with someone else when he had given Sean the cold shoulder for doing the same. But he wasn’t. Sean knew what rage felt like; knew the way it twisted his stomach into knots and made his blood rush in his veins and his vision to sharpen and his hands to clench into a fist he had to be careful not to throw. He would prefer anger to this strange emotion in his chest. It was a cold knife slicing through his lungs, making breathing utterly impossible.

“Uh, okay,” Orlando said. “What do you want for dinner?”

Finding out that he was behaving like Orlando’s teenage girlfriend had to be the last insult, but he still couldn’t muster up the damn anger. Not at Viggo, not at Orlando, not even at himself -- which was strange, because it was always so damn easy to be angry at himself. He just felt cold and thin, like the rain had seeped into his skin and replaced his blood.

Sean rubbed his mouth slightly before he turned. “You get it for yerself,” he said, shoving his hands inside the pockets of his jeans.

“I ain’t hungry.”

Somehow he would have to figure out what the hell was wrong with him and to get rid of it before he saw Viggo again.

***

“Can I sit here?”

Viggo looked up, cigarette burning in his hand. Karl was still in Eomer’s clothes and wig, blond hair tied into a bright purple scrunchie and draped over his shoulder. He had in his hand a cupcake topped with icing the same colour as his hair tie. Viggo’s lips twitched.

“Sure,” he waved a hand.

“Bernard told everyone that purple is my colour of the day or something. He has one too, but he assigned himself a really nice blue, so I think he’s just fucking with me.” Karl touched his hair slightly. “Anyway, he told me to give you this.”

The cupcake in his hand was topped with bright, pumpkin orange. Viggo took it and took a big bite.

“It’s a few months and a couple of continents too far from Halloween,” he chewed. “Doesn’t taste too bad, though.”

Karl made an indistinct sound from beneath the pile of purple icing. Viggo blinked, cocking his head.

“What?”

“I said, I’m glad Aragorn isn’t pissed at Eomer anymore.”

Viggo froze. He looked away, his hand dropping to his side. “Sorry,” he said. The skies were fascinating at this time of the day, the barest streaks of pink and orange running across the blue, cut occasionally by clouds. He wished he had a camera in his hand; it would work as an excuse as well as any.

But Viggo wasn’t that much of a coward. He took a deep breath, turning to catch Karl’s gaze with his own.

“I really am sorry. It wasn’t very professional of me.”

Karl looked at him for a long time, chewing on his cupcake. Viggo resisted the urge to fidget. Karl finished the cupcake, his eyes still fixed on Viggo, and he licked his fingers.

“Orlando told me something interesting this morning,” he said.

Viggo blinked. “Orlando? Isn’t he coming over here?”

“He’s travelling with Sean,” Karl said, and he placed an almost comically exaggerated emphasis on Sean’s name. “They are stuck in the middle of nowhere because of a bunch of landslides.”

“Is Sean alright?” the words burst out of Viggo without his permission, and he bit his lip immediately. He tasted sugar and food colouring, and he licked the corner of his mouth for want of something to do.

“Yeah, they’re both fine. That’s not the interesting thing Orlando told me.”

“You’re obviously dying to tell me,” Viggo tried for a light tone. It wasn’t very successful, and his mind was running in damn circles about what had happened to Sean. He had heard reports about the landslides, but he figured that Sean had flown home since the last time they spoke. Boromir had no real business in Edoras, really, so he had no idea that he was even heading here.

God, Sean was coming over here. Viggo felt his hand moving to his ear and he resolutely started to shred the cupcake wrapper, staring at it in an effort to not look at Karl. It was an effort to not think about Karl as he looked that night, face flushed and wide-eyed over Sean’s shoulder.

It was a good thing that Eomer wasn’t the type of person to blush, really. If he was, things would be even more awkward than it already was.

“Orlando says that Sean is behaving like his ex-girlfriend,” Karl was saying. Viggo forced himself to pay attention again. It took a moment for the words to sink in.

“What?”

“He told Sean about your thing with one of the bearded ladies,” Karl grinned.

“Her name is Isabelle,” Viggo corrected absent-mindedly.

“Right,” Karl said. “So I don’t think you have anything to worry about.”

“I was worried about something?” Viggo was tugging on his earlobe again. He dropped his hand back to the side.

Karl smiled, “I saw your face when you came into the trailer, you know.”

“Sorry,” Viggo said automatically. He didn’t even know what he was apologising for, but it was good enough as conversation filler, since Karl seemed to be expecting him to say something. Viggo couldn’t decide what his reaction was supposed to be, that Sean was coming to the Edoras set knowing that Viggo had slept with someone else.

If Sean started ragging him on it, Viggo didn’t know if he could stop himself from hitting him. Not when he had saw him with his hands smelling of Karl’s come. Viggo was aware that Sean wasn’t the only one who was acting like Orlando’s teenage ex-girlfriend.

“It should be me apologising,” Karl shrugged. Viggo blinked at him. “Honestly, the two of you confuse the hell out of me. I don’t actually know what is going on, and I’d rather not presume, but I’d also rather that you’re not pissed off at me.”

“I’m not,” Viggo said automatically. That much he was clear about. He wasn’t angry at Karl, not really. Why would he, when Karl wouldn’t have known about what was happening between Viggo and Sean, or even that there was a ‘Viggo and Sean’ at all? Viggo didn’t even know how to classify what he had with Sean, so how would Karl know?

There was a part of himself that was very much relieved he was still capable of reason.

“I’m not actually pissed at anything, actually,” Viggo said. He shrugged again, turning out to look at the sky. The sunset was rapidly approaching. “I’m sorry for making things awkward between us,” he heard himself saying. “It won’t be a problem anymore, I promise.”

“I’ll take you at your word for that,” Karl said, but his voice sounded like it came from a distance away. Viggo gave him a flickering smile before he stood up, moving towards his trailer to get his camera.

He would deal with Sean when he came over. Not right now. Right now, he had a sky to chase.

***

Viggo felt the breath knocked out of his chest as Sean slammed him against the door. His face was so close to his own, and Viggo’s lips drew back into a snarl. He growled, fingers curling into the shoulders of Sean’s shirt, nearly tearing the fabric apart.

“Is this how you always try to solve problems, Sean?” Viggo could barely recognise his own voice. He sounded savage, rough, the usual rasp turned into a snarl. “By thinking with your cock? You’ve never realise that doing that is exactly the problem, do you?”

“No,” Sean was right in his face, his green eyes flashing gold as he stared hard into Viggo’s. “It ain’t me fucking Karl that’s the problem, Vig. It’s you.”

The rage Viggo felt was so intense that he surprised even himself, but his hands and feet were already moving, shoving Sean off of him. He didn’t want to admire the colour of Sean’s eyes; didn’t want to feel his body tingle at the feel of his hard body against his own. He shoved a leg between Sean’s, pushing him back until they stood in the middle of Sean’s hotel room.

“Me,” Viggo said. “The problem is me.” He barked a laugh, and there was no humour in the sound at all. “And Saint Sean has no faults whatsoever, aye?”

“Oh, aye,” Sean said, and his grip on Viggo’s elbow was so tight that it was going to leave bruises. “I know me faults alright, but I ain’t the one behaving worse than me ex-wife ‘bout having some fun with a friend when we are supposed to be mates.”

“It must hurt, doesn’t it, Sean?” Viggo hissed back. “That I wasn’t there to comfort you when you get a call from that ex-wife of yours. That I wasn’t there as a convenient body to fuck so you can forget what a failure you are at relationships.”

Sean flinched, and Viggo knew the shot had hit home. He had always been good with words; better at controlling them to make himself likeable. Somewhere deep within him, he realised he had gone too far, but his anger was bubbling too hot to even think about that.

“It’s always like that with you, ain’t it?” The bitterness in Sean’s voice was sharp enough to cut. “Always making out like yer the one being used when you enjoyed what we did plenty.”

“I don’t deny that,” Viggo didn’t know where the words were coming from. “You called me a mate, but how many others in the cast have you fucked, Sean? How many others have known the taste of Sean Bean’s come?”

Sean shoved at him, hard enough to make Viggo stumble. His back slammed against the wall, and it trembled even more from the force of Sean’s fist. “You want to say what you really mean? You keep talking in circles, Vig, but it’s a shite way of hiding.”

“You called me your mate, Sean,” Viggo said, and he hated how his voice had gone soft. Steeling it, he hid the hurt away. Like hell he was going to give Sean more ammunition to hurt him with. “Is that what we are?”

There was a flicker of confusion in Sean’s eyes, and he licked his lips.

“What are we, Viggo?”

Viggo didn’t have an answer, didn’t even know if there was a right answer to give. He suddenly felt tired, so tired of fighting with this man who was his friend, whom he had spent countless mornings and afternoons and nights together. He was tired of fighting, tired of running, tired of seeing shades of green on grass and in the skies and only being able to think of Sean. He was tired of remembering the sight of both of their hands stained with charcoals or with paints, the sound of their laughter reverberating around his house. He was tired of only seeing the shade of Sean’s dark blond hair whenever he looked out into the rain.

Viggo was damn tired of being afraid. He should do something about it.

His body moved before he did, surging forward, hands burying themselves in Sean’s hair as he crashed their lips together. Sean jerk against him, a large hand splaying out over his shoulder, slowly closing into a fist around Viggo’s shirt, pulling him closer instead of pushing him away. Sean’s tongue was in Viggo’s mouth, claiming it, stroking every corner until Viggo moaned and leaned further towards him. His body trembled, but he wasn’t the only one -- Sean pushed him harder, shoved him against the wall, his feet unsteady.

“What are we doing,” Sean murmured, and his voice was choked in Viggo’s throat. Less of a question, more of a plea.

I don’t know, Viggo thought. There wasn’t an answer he could find: not for what they needed, much less what they wanted. He only knew he could be addicted to the taste of Sean’s mouth. He could spend his entire life like this, just like this, kissing Sean over and over, never once tiring of Sean’s taste, Sean’s heat.

That was an answer in itself, but Viggo didn’t want it. Maybe it was cowardice, but Viggo was far too good with words, and he knew that this was self-preservation.

“I want to fuck you,” he said instead. Sean’s tongue sliding against his own as he pulled back, and he shivered again. He felt Sean nod more than he saw it; felt the heat of Sean’s cock against his thigh.

“Here,” Sean breathed. He pulled away from Viggo. Hands slapped against the wall, legs parted. Viggo’s breath slammed out of his lungs at the sight of Sean’s hair falling in front of his eyes. Gold and green against tan, and Sean’s smile trembled at the edges as he looked back to Viggo.

“Don’t bother with lube.”

“I don’t want to hurt you,” Viggo protested, but his hands were disobeying him again. He was pulling off Sean’s belt, leather and metal thud-thudding on the ground. His body splayed itself out over Sean’s, fingers finding small nipples, tweaking them. Images flashed in his head, of fucking Sean hard until he screamed; until his legs and hips and throat and ass all carried marks of Viggo, until there was no way that he could forget about him.

Sean turned him into a savage. He stripped Viggo raw, left him open, and Viggo could only drag his head back by his hair and shove two fingers into Sean’s mouth. The violence terrified him, aroused him, but he couldn’t stop himself, couldn’t help thrusting his hips forward, his still-clothed cock sliding up Sean’s jean-clad ass. Over and over as Sean sucked on his fingers, bit on the tips and made him bleed on the inside.

Viggo knew there was an answer, somewhere, but he had stopped caring somehow. Instead his hand was shoving Sean’s pants down to his ankles, his feet kicking Sean’s apart. Sean’s spit made his fingers gleam and Viggo licked at the tip, grey eyes holding onto green. Sean opened his mouth as if to speak, but Viggo pulled his head back and kissed him hard. He felt Sean moan against his lips, a trembling thing as Viggo shoved those fingers inside, less stretching than trying to pry Sean apart physically. Like Sean could pry him apart just by breathing.

His body didn’t feel like his own and he felt entirely out of his control. His head spun. Sean was saying something, the arch of his neck shivering from the force of his voice. But Viggo wasn’t listening any longer. Instead he threw himself forward, shoving Sean against the wall even as his teeth bit down on the thin, vulnerable skin of Sean’s throat.

“Come on, Viggo,” Sean said, drawling out Viggo’s name. A hand grabbed Viggo’s collar from the back, twisting the cloth until Viggo choked slightly, rearing back. Sean’s eyes burned on his.

“Fuck me already.”

He let go and Viggo grabbed his wrist, slamming it flat against the wall. Leaning in, he lowered his voice into a barely audible rasp.

“You asked.”

His hand closed around Sean’s hip, holding him still. Spitting into his hand, he stroked himself once. Pressed inside, slowly, inch by inch. Sean growled, trying to thrust his hips back, but Viggo only tightened his grip. He held him steady before he thrust hard, filling Sean as much as he could with one rough stroke. Sean threw his head back and roared, the sound so loud that it made Viggo’s bones rock inside him. Viggo grinned to himself, pulling back and slamming back in, and Sean’s hands slapped hard against the wall as he tried to keep his face from smashing into it.

“Hard enough?” he panted out.

Laughter. Sean tilted his head back, narrowed eyes on Viggo. There was pain in the creased edges, but Sean’s grin was large and infectious.

“Not nearly,” he said, and he rocked his entire body back, his spine curving as it fitted against Viggo’s chest. Snarling at the taunt, Viggo wrapped his arm around Sean’s waist as he pulled him away from the wall, took him off balance even as he thrust into him, again and again. Sean was trembling in his arms, his breath coming fast and shallow, his neck on Viggo’s shoulder-- but his fingers carved their marks on Viggo’s thighs, steadying himself. Urging Viggo to go faster, harder.

“Come on, Vig, fuck me like you mean it.”

“God,” Viggo snarled. “I should have known you wouldn’t know how to shut up.”

“Yeah? I thought you love me voice,” Sean countered. Viggo immediately decided that he wasn’t fucking Sean hard enough if he was still capable of being coherent. He buried his hand in Sean’s hair again, dragging his head back, and kissing him hard. Fingers clenched hard around Sean’s hips, grip tight enough to bruise. There was no real finesse, no real technique, only an animalistic in-out. But they had done this too many times and Viggo’s body had already shifted, finding the angle that had his cock scraping against Sean’s prostate with every single shove inside.

Sean was speechless now, reduced to grunts and moans and gasps as he leaned on his arms against the wall. Viggo took a vicious, triumphant joy in the sight of him, and he batted Sean’s hand away when it tried to creep down to his own cock. Instead, he wrapped his fingers around the head of Sean’s cock, his next thrust throwing Sean forward. Sean gasped again, clawing at the wall with his fingers, but that was all Viggo saw because he was biting down on Sean’s shoulder, eyes closed as he thrust again and again, feeling his orgasm approaching as he fucked Sean as if he was nothing more than a doll for him to use to get off.

It might do Sean some good to have a taste of his own medicine, Viggo thought suddenly. His eyes snapped open, and he grabbed onto that thought even as he felt his orgasm crash down onto him. His groan scraped the side of throat on its way up. He buried himself deep inside Sean’s body. Sean was frantic, rutting into his hand, and Viggo smiled to himself as he twisted the head of Sean’s cock, a nail flicker underneath the hood-- and Sean was coming with a low, dark roar, almost loud enough to cause the walls to shake and the decorative prints hanging on the walls to fall.

Viggo knew what he wanted now. He knew it from the easy way his body slumped against Sean’s, his arm sneaking forward to wrap around Sean’s body. Funny how he had always fitted so nicely with Sean, whether side by side or one behind the other. Viggo wasn’t particularly amused, or even surprised at all.

He closed his eyes and pushed himself away, pulling out. He heard Sean hiss, but Viggo only stumbled until he was leaning on the wall beside him. His hand was covered with Sean’s come, and he lifted it to his mouth, licking up the salty bitterness almost absent-mindedly.

“Vig.”

Viggo blinked, trying to focus. Sean was still leaning against the wall, grimacing slightly, but his eyes were clear as they fixed on Viggo’s.

“Are we good?”

Were they? Orlando mentioned that Sean was acted jealous about Isabelle, but that wasn’t a guarantee of anything. Orlando might have misinterpreted it, and Viggo had long known that possessiveness proved nothing in the long run anyway. He let out a soft, trembling breath.

“Yeah,” he said. “Yeah, we’re good.”

Sean would be leaving soon, Viggo remembered. Maybe if he ignored his latest revelation, it would hide itself away and he wouldn’t have to think of it again.

(Of course, he knew emotions didn’t work like that. But trying in this direction was far more harmless than trying in any other way.)

Part III

[identity profile] j-flattermann.livejournal.com 2012-12-16 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
These two fighting it out bitter. Unfortunately without really speaking what's going on.
Hmm, let's see how this ends.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-12-17 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope, no speaking about it at all. 8D

[identity profile] rubyelf.livejournal.com 2012-12-16 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
This whole scene with the two of them together is amazing for all the things that are said and NOT said...

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-12-17 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
That is really the best part about writing about them, because there's just so many layers of what they might or might not mean, and what they understand from each other. 8D Thank you!

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2012-12-21 09:30 am (UTC)(link)
I loved this beginning- the thing Sean loves about working in NZ in sharp contrast to the mountain (or rather the flying, I assume). And I always enjoy a discussion on acting techniques and this sentence is brilliant: Sean had never been the kind of actor who felt exactly as how his character felt, but he couldn’t deny that this made doing his job easier either. His approach to acting seems to be a different one, it's not about getting the feelings right on the inside but on the outside- and I like the honesty in that thought, that even though usually he doesn't need to feel like the character he is playing, of course it's easier if you do.

And when Viggo joins him, this picture He blinked, turning around. Viggo was standing behind him, thumbs hooked over Aragorn’s belt. The wind of the departing helicopter made his wig fly all over his face, making him look more like the dishevelled Ranger more than ever. is awesome. Very dramatic, very foreboding, Viggo so calm (or apparently calm) with his fingers hooked over the belt while the helicopter takes off behind him. I liked this move a lot, too, the seemingly inevitable confrontation, both of them alone on the mountain top and either they end up talking about it or they discover on their way down that there is nothing to talk about- but either way, they are forced to deal with each other.
I liked the thoughts that Viggo's silence provoked in Sean, too (and had to grin at the thought that he would never marry Viggo so it couldn't be more than an arrangement of convenience- oh, Sean, really?). This feeling of off-centredness is palpable throughout the whole passage.

And when they finally start talking about Karl and what happened in the trailer- the contrast between how they deal with this is awesome. Sean getting angry and Viggo tensing up and getting calmer on the surface (But he shrugged before Sean could say a word, shoulders far too tense for the movement to seem smooth in any way. But then when Sean insults him he leashes out fully and really lands a blow with asking him about the divorce. I really really like this exchange even though it's short because it seems to be a summary of the past weeks. Somewhere it says that they haven't been talking for a while- they start out with that shower scene and are so apparently comfortable around each other and maybe it would only be one more tiny step to being lovers, and then everything comes to a screeching halt in the trailer. And suddenly they don't see each other any more, don't talk to each other.
When we meet Viggo again on the mountaintop I got a very clear image of how things must have been for him during those weeks. Sean has not offered any explanation, not even acknowledged that the situation might require an explanation- not even granted Viggo as much as that- nothing to talk about, you don't matter to me. Viggo probably has drawn back, hurt, and tried to figure out for himself what has happened and to adjust to what Sean seems to think about him. While Sean hasn't done anything than to try and brush away the thought about Viggo. Now it's Viggo who asks him about Karl, maybe because he has realized that Sean never is going to speak about it, and even now Sean doesn't relent, refuses to even consider that he might have hurt Viggo with his careless behaviour, relationship or not. And he even goes a step further and does not accept Viggo's withdrawal and starts insulting him. It's a little scary to see Viggo deliver this one, well-aimed blow with such surgical precision but I was cheering him on by then. As cruel as this remark about his divorce is, it shows Sean so very clearly how much Viggo knows about him- he can't deny anymore that he is of importance, it's not only the words that are hurting him but that they are coming from Viggo- Viggo whom he tries to hold at arms length because he is becoming too difficult to ignore and his heart has started to ask all these questions.

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2012-12-21 09:59 am (UTC)(link)
You know I'm not a huge fan of Orlando (and usually I don't appreciate other characters in sean/viggo fic other than Sean and Viggo) but I liked the shift in perspective. Orlando as someone who talks to different people on set, has formed other friendships than Sean has and his intuitive approach to the chemistry between Sean and Viggo. And his meddling :) (he truly is a meddling brat here)

And he gets to Sean, immediately, it seems as if he has just been waiting for the right moment.
I don’t want to know anything about Viggo, Sean meant to say. Instead, he blurted, “What ‘bout Viggo?” I love this line because it tells us that this is far from over- Sean can't stop thinking about Viggo.

And Orlando just wants to gossip, or doesn't he? ;)
I absolutely love the bit about Viggo and one of the bearded ladies (Isabelle? I want to know more about Isabelle!). He's not waiting for Sean to come around but has moved on. And Sean thinks he sounds perfectly reasonable when he is defending Viggo (which he of course doesn't and the thought is so cute because that's just what you think in these situations- who want to prove so desperately that it doesn't mean anything, that that person doesn't matter more than other people etc.) And Orlando succeeds unknowingly- Sean gets jealous. Not angry, no. He worries that he might have lost Viggo and this thought confuses him. Somehow he would have to figure out what the hell was wrong with him and to get rid of it before he saw Viggo again. If Viggo had planned this- to sleep with someone else and make sure that Sean learned about it he couldn't have done it any better (I'd never think that Viggo would do something like that).

And this conversation between Karl and Viggo- it's brilliant. I like the way Karl seems to try and make up for what happened in the trailer because this is still standing between them. And I truly love Viggo's reaction to Karl's apology- that he doesn't see a reason to hold a grudge against Karl because none of this is his fault. On the contrary, he apologizes to Karl for being tongue-tied around him- I really admired that. And this made me smile:

He would deal with Sean when he came over. Not right now. Right now, he had a sky to chase.

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2012-12-29 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Right. Where was I? Yes, the angry sex. That was- phew. Sean and Viggo unleashed (reading it again today reminded me of the weather giants fighting in the mountains). I like how this begins, the reproaches, the insults, there seem to be so many hurt feelings there, so much pain and confusion. I like you Viggo gains the upper hand with the aid of a couple of well used words that sting, and Sean defending himself (physically). And I absolutely loved Viggo's reaction to it- his anger just seems to dissipate and suddenly he can tell Sean where the problem is: it's the "mate". From the secong Viggo has walked into that trailer it has been clear that to him, they are so much more. And on their way down from the mountain Sean could have acknowledged that problem (because he knew it was there). But he chose not to, stubbornly trying to convince himself that it did not exist. And they both went on with their lives and tried to get over it- unsuccessfully, as this conversation clearly shows.
And I loved Viggo thoughts. This:
He was tired of fighting, tired of running, tired of seeing shades of green on grass and in the skies and only being able to think of Sean. He was tired of remembering the sight of both of their hands stained with charcoals or with paints, the sound of their laughter reverberating around his house. He was tired of only seeing the shade of Sean’s dark blond hair whenever he looked out into the rain.
And this:
He could spend his entire life like this, just like this, kissing Sean over and over, never once tiring of Sean’s taste, Sean’s heat. That was an answer in itself, but Viggo didn’t want it.
This amazing inner monologue while he his fucking Sean like that, all these feelings, the anger and the pain and then that one clear thought:
Viggo knew what he wanted now. He knew it from the easy way his body slumped against Sean’s, his arm sneaking forward to wrap around Sean’s body. Funny how he had always fitted so nicely with Sean, whether side by side or one behind the other. Viggo wasn’t particularly amused, or even surprised at all.
And his refusal to tell Sean any of it (love the thought about possessiveness and how it doesn't prove anything). It's easier not to tell Sean, it's not to open up more and make himself even more vulnerable, it's easier just to try and wait for all of these feelings to disappear with Sean. Or so it seems.

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2012-12-29 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, I just read afra_schatz comment on this- and I'm on Viggo's team, clearly. Because even though I know how Sean feels about Viggo through this revealing conversation with Orlando, I'm still mad at him for making out with Karl and let Viggo walk in on them. On purpose. It's his problem, the insecurity he is experiencing where Viggo is concerned but he tries to resolve that by kicking him into the face. And then again on the mountain top. I can completely identify with Viggo's reluctance to give him another chance (even though it's unfair maybe that he doesn't tell Sean but tells him that they are good when they aren't, far from it), he has hurt him, twice, and even when they are meeting now (and he knows that he has feelings for Viggo) he still is not allowing Viggo space to voice what the problem is. He asks him to cut the crap and tell him what the problem is but only after making sure that the possibility that Viggo is hurt- rightfully so because they were in some sort of relationship when Sean forced him to deal with Karl in their trailer, with Karl smelling of Sean- is not an option:
“I know me faults alright, but I ain’t the one behaving worse than me ex-wife ‘bout having some fun with a friend when we are supposed to be mates.”
He compares Viggo to his nagging ex-wife and keeps pretending that there is no other way of defining what they had as "just sex".

It's a hell of a lot to ask of Viggo to still be honest and trust him with his feelings. I can understand Viggo's rage, completely, his attempt to make Sean shut the fuck up about this, to force him to acknowledge his presence and the impact he has on him by fucking him raw (that would not be my solution to this problem- but it's a strangely enjoyable take on this- it's really hot though my brain complains that I shouldn't find it hot because it's too violent).

So, yeah, go, Team Viggo! ;) (and I'll go to bed- I fear I will never finish commenting... :S)

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-12-30 06:58 am (UTC)(link)
I like the honesty in that thought

I'm just gleeing that you think Sean is being honest - because he is, at this point. It's this balance I've been trying to strike - between Sean's honesty about himself, his self-awareness, and his conscious/subconscious denial and obliviousness. 8D!

the contrast between how they deal with this is awesome. Sean getting angry and Viggo tensing up and getting calmer on the surface

I always think that Sean's the kind of shout as he loses his temper, whereas Viggo goes deadly calm and starts whispering or hissing. 8D It makes for a great contrast in fight scenes.

When we meet Viggo again on the mountaintop I got a very clear image of how things must have been for him during those weeks.

I find this fascinating, especially contrasted with [livejournal.com profile] afra_schatz's comment about how following Sean's POV lets her stick with Sean. This is what is awesome about getting feedback. 8D Because I think it really is who you like more - outside of the fic - that makes you basically shift your lenses when reading. There's a lot more I want to say on this but I can't find the words right now, so maybe later.

(he truly is a meddling brat here)... Orlando just wants to gossip, or doesn't he? ;)

It's mostly [livejournal.com profile] afra_schatz's fault. :3 What can I say? Also, re: Orlando, I deliberately made sure that he's not fulfilling his role in the story because I make him do it, but because he's an incurable gossip and it's entirely natural that he tells Sean and Viggo these things. Because I hate Interventions About A Relationship in fics a LOT because side-characters become plot devices and that's really uncomfortable for me in RPF (don't ask me why). So I'm just pleased that he does have characterisation of his own, and people pick up on it. 8D

If Viggo had planned this- to sleep with someone else and make sure that Sean learned about it he couldn't have done it any better (I'd never think that Viggo would do something like that).

No, I don't think he did that on purpose. He really was attracted to Isabelle - and I don't actually know who she is! Just that she's one of the bearded ladies of Rohan. 8D

And ehehehehe I'm actually pretty proud of the fight scene. It is FUN to write them at loggerheads with each other.

It's easier not to tell Sean, it's not to open up more and make himself even more vulnerable, it's easier just to try and wait for all of these feelings to disappear with Sean.

Yes, exactly. I think, for me, this is when it starts becoming easier, of sorts, for me to believe that Viggo and Sean are equals in this. Because it's not just Sean who is hiding - Viggo is as well. They're equally useless at dealing with this properly.

I can understand Viggo's rage, completely, his attempt to make Sean shut the fuck up about this, to force him to acknowledge his presence and the impact he has on him by fucking him raw (that would not be my solution to this problem- but it's a strangely enjoyable take on this- it's really hot though my brain complains that I shouldn't find it hot because it's too violent).

I'm just really pleased at the conflicting feelings the scene causes - both with regards to Viggo VS Sean, and with the violence in the scene. The second one is deliberate, the first isn't, but I'm STILL majorly fascinated by the sheer differences in opinions. 8D!

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2012-12-30 07:58 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, exactly. I think, for me, this is when it starts becoming easier, of sorts, for me to believe that Viggo and Sean are equals in this. Because it's not just Sean who is hiding - Viggo is as well. They're equally useless at dealing with this properly.

Indeed, they are. Because now Viggo is doing what Sean has been doing before- now when Sean actually has opened up a bit (he's let his confusion show and has asked Viggo for an explanation of what they are doing there, of what they are, what this means). And Viggo let's his body take over, opts for sex instead of talking because he knows that's something that works well with Sean. It's not fair either (though for me it's still Sean who started this- and who's keeping up a shitty performance and handling his feeling for Viggo by trying to resolve this through sex ;)
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2012-12-30 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi :).

Can I just say how utterly fascinating I think it is that out comments sound like we've been reading two entirely different stories :D? Like [livejournal.com profile] evocates says it probably comes down to who we like more to begin with, but still, even with that in the equation it's absolutely fascinating. I read your interpretation and it's completely logical and everything, and I am still opposed to pretty much everything you say. God, I love that about good writing, that it allows these kinds of vastly different interpretations at the same time.

So, basically: Hi from the other side of the camp (my side, by the way, has an image of Sean's bum on its flag, how about yours? :)).

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2012-12-31 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, when I read this I was laughing so much! And then I went back and read what you had written and what I had written- it's brilliant, I think. Two people reading the same story and coming up with two interpretations that differ so much from each other :) And yes, it's only good writing that allows for this!

And I must say- usually I am on Team Sean, I really am. Almost all of my fic is from Sean's POV and if it's not it feels weird and a little lifeless... so this is very very weird. But how can you root for Sean here? He's being mean! (okay, so he's not in touch with his feelings- but doing Karl in the trailer- really? A little more consideration wouldn't hurt, or?) ;) Go, Team Viggo! (yeah, so I guess my side has Viggo with a raised sword on their banners)

Guten Rutsch!
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2013-01-01 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
Me, too :D. And I was, like, going NOOOOO all the time while at the same time conceding that your points are all well argued indeed.

You're honestly calling me out on this :)?! If so, I will totally explain to you that Sean's pov - sex is kind of really like a hot shower or chocolate (okay, so the last bit was me, not Sean) - is totally more sensible than Viggo's whole emo take on things, and how it's totally not Sean's fault that not everyone is as enlightened and open minded as he is. However, maaybe I shouldn't challenge you to a fight when it's 2.00 and I am maybe a liiittle tipsy :). BUT my arse flag totally beats your sword flag (unless that was a phallic symbol, then it's a draw).

Hoffe, du bist auch gut reingekommen!

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2013-01-01 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
4:30 am- I am not up for a coherent discussion on --- anything, really. Just wanted to say: Of course it's a phallic symbol! ;)
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2013-01-01 08:08 am (UTC)(link)
So, it's 9.06 now and I've sobered up but still something inside of me feels the need to point out that our flags should meet up and do something about the whole arse/phallic symbol UST going on there. Flagporn, basically. I'm not sure whether I am comfortable to start the new year with that, brain...

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2013-01-01 11:38 am (UTC)(link)
At 12:36 pm and an incredible amount of coffee my brain thinks that the idea of flagporn is hilarious. I'll snicker for a while now and then sleep for another hour or so. That's probably the safest option ;)
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2013-01-01 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
At 15.32 I am still snickering and hope you had appropriately porny dreams :).

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2013-01-03 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I did! These two even chased away the images Thorin Oakenshield (naked, on a bear skin) that I find both intriguing and disturbing... what are you doing in your spare time otherwise when you are not rooting for Team Sean? Or are you always on his side? (And what's with sex and chocolate? Can that include either Viggo, Sean or that aforementioned guy on the bear skin? I hope evo forgives us for spamming her journal, do you, dear?
Back to the original topic, you don't really think Sean is the sensible guy, here, do you? How can you be okay with what happened in the trailer? And not in the conservative you-can-only-sleep-with-one-person-at-the-time-way but I mean, two seconds earlier and he could have asked Viggo to lick Karl's come from his hand. Isn't that rude in all the worlds? Wouldn't you be pissed? And Viggo is kind of cool about it. He doesn't yell, doesn't cry, doesn't break Karl's nose (or Sean's)... Viggo and I feel you are not doing him justice!
(and off-topic: When I wrote the karl/orlando fic for you, there were some left overs which I turned into this: http://noalinnea.livejournal.com/147035.html, in case you're still interested in top!Orlando- if only hinted)
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2013-01-03 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I am SO jealous of your dream then! I only ever seem to dream of work which I find terribly unfair. And I have NO problem with sex and chocolate and any combination of hot men :).

I actually am on Sean's side on this. Not really because he's being more sensible; they are both idiots, really :). But like I said to Evo, it's partly because his pov is told first, and I tend to just follow one pov and stick with it. Partly it's because I honestly believe that Sean thinks of fucking as something to relieve the tension, much like a shower, and yeah, maybe it's a bit inconsiderate, the trailor thing, if he ever thought about Viggo and him being anything but mates with benefits. But up to that point at least it doesn't feel to me that way. But mostly I think it's because Viggo's being passive-aggressive here and esp. later on. And I just can't stand that. It's a personal pet peeve of mine (and by that I mean thing that gets me from 0 to 100 in 0.2 flat). Yell, cry, break bones, I'm all fine with that, but give me passive-aggression, and I'm gone :). I think I do understand where Viggo is coming from, but he lost me from that moment on; any character would have, though, even my golden boy err Sean.

And are you kidding me? Of COURSE I am interested in top!Orlando (as are pretty much ALL of my Sean muses, but I think that is beside the point here :D). *toddles over there*

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2013-01-04 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Won't you even dream of Thorin when you stare at a pic of him for fifteen minutes before you go to bed? (If I do this any longer I swear I'll end of giving birth to a baby that looks like him nine months from now ;) )

On a more serious level. I like Sean the way evo writes him, I very often have no difficulties whatsoever to take his side. And very true, neither of them is very sensible in this fic. And I hate passive aggressiveness. So why Viggo?
I think my main problem with Sean is that he is so thickheaded about this. Even if for him sex equals showers are other comfort stuff, he has a lot of experience and knows that not everybody sees it that way. And I like to think that- even if having sex for him does not mean that you are romantically involved- Viggo matters to him as a person, that he cares about him as a friend. I think he could have realized that seeing him with Karl was a problem for Viggo and a smarter way would have been to address this and not act as there is no possible way for Viggo to be hurt because they are mates, dammit, end of discussion. Of course, then we are back to the point where both are stupid because Viggo could try and talk to him, too. But the way I see Viggo gets hurt, twice, and then gets angry and passive aggressive, and Sean is first not affected at all and then maybe overwhelmed/confused. But he seems to be the one less involved emotionally at first and therefore maybe in a better place to try and sort this out so that it's okay for Viggo, too?

And Sean and Orlando? With grown-up, in charge Orlando? Can I read that, please? :) (I'm still writing a prompt for a Karl/Sean/Orlando request and I'm in dire need of some well written (not pouting and whining) Orlando for inspiration!)
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2013-01-04 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Nah, not even writing / reading fic for hours before sleep makes me dream the way I want to. I dreamt once that I WAS Sean which was pretty annoying because I spent the rest of the dream trying to find a mirror to look at myself :).

I get what you mean regarding Sean. But to me, all stuff told from his pov was focused on so many other things – like the stress of the filming, the hotness of Karl, and (later on) Abby – there was no “ill thinking”, so I believed him that he didn’t mess up on purpose. That’s one of the things I found most compelling about this actually (by which I mean: I fucking loved how this was written), that the way he was written made it believable that he honestly DIDN’T think it would hurt Viggo. Of course you’ve got a point when you say that he should have enough experience (divorced thrice and all that), but it made sense to me that he didn’t think about a bloke the same way he thinks about women. I’ve said it to Evo in one of my comments that this actually is why I think _Viggo_ is the one who should’ve said something because imo Viggo was the one having a better grasp on what was going on. On the other hand, of course Viggo can’t read Sean’s mind either, and it’s understandable that he is cautious. But the way I see it Sean COULDN’T have said something because he really didn’t get what was going on.

Well, I _hope_ that all the Orlandos I write fit that description, but then I might just be delusional and a bit too in love with my own writing. But Evo has read a couple of my stories, so maybe she could back me up :)? Otherwise, you could check out Brenda’s Orlando, as in Room service, or (if you’d prefer him with Karl) try her College AU or Intermission. Just take my word on this, there are some good Orlando writers out there, you just gotta know where to look :).
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2012-12-29 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
“Alright,” Sean said. They hadn’t spoken for some time. He couldn’t help but think that all of his current irritations were hidden blessings, because Boromir’s disquiet about Aragorn was almost exactly what Sean felt towards Viggo as well.

I like how he’s using this for his role. Again, it’s maybe not the healthiest thing to do, but it still makes sense and it seems to work for him (or at least has worked for him so far).

They were used to each other’s quiet, and Sean realised with a start that this was the first time that he was discomfited that Viggo wasn’t saying anything. … But there was no chance he would ever marry Viggo, so he always thought it understood that what they had between them was just an arrangement for the sake of convenience.

Man, how I love this. First of all, Sean’s surprise at the realization that it isn’t necessarily Viggo who’s making this uncomfortable, that it’s maybe his own head. Then, the thing about marriage, and doesn’t that fit him so perfectly? This thinking in absolutes – either you promise someone you be with them forever (while pretty much aware after three failed attempts that it won’t work) or it’s nothing to do with feelings at all. You could say that it’s a lose/lose situation, but thing is, I don’t think Sean thinks or feels that way. Hm.

“You were the one fucking him, weren’t you?”

Yeah, so Viggo still wins the tournament of passive-aggressiveness. And I love Sean’s reaction to it, hackles immediately raised.

“Go. Fuck. Yourself.”

God, I love how you write fights. Strictly keeping to Sean’s pov, it makes SO MUCH SENSE that he is so very hurt by this. And yet, everything Viggo says and does suggests something else (or at least something more), if Sean just weren’t too caught up in his own pov to notice.

“Ian,” Sean drawled the name out, and he grinned to himself when Orlando blushed slightly, turning his head away.

I love this entire conversation, and your characterization of Orlando, how hm, nice Sean’s descriptions of him are (and probably how apt, too). Not only because I like Orlando being portrayed that way, it also says a lot about Sean; he does see people’s qualities and he does value them, too.

“Yeah, Karl told me. He says that it’s weird, because well, if he’s sleeping with Miranda, then that’s no surprise. If he’s sleeping with one of the male extras, that’s no surprise either. But he’s sleeping with one of the bearded ladies, and well, you know, that’s a bit odd.”

I love this. Because Orlando’s not telling Sean because he thinks SEAN needs to know (because of whatever he and Viggo have) but because THE WORLD needs to know about Viggo’s odd deviant ways :D. Aside from it being hellishly funny, I really like how this therefore doesn’t seem like a staged intervention, but is just Orlando being a gossip.

“Bernard told everyone that purple is my colour of the day or something. He has one too, but he assigned himself a really nice blue, so I think he’s just fucking with me.”

BERNAAAARD!!!!! Honestly, do you really expect me to concentrate on the feelings stuff between Sean and Viggo when you’ve got an awesome Orlando and THIS Bernard? He is my absolute hero just from this one sentence only (and I will now spend the rest of my day wailing because I want my Bernard to be exactly like that.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-12-30 07:03 am (UTC)(link)
Then, the thing about marriage, and doesn’t that fit him so perfectly? This thinking in absolutes – either you promise someone you be with them forever (while pretty much aware after three failed attempts that it won’t work) or it’s nothing to do with feelings at all. You could say that it’s a lose/lose situation, but thing is, I don’t think Sean thinks or feels that way. Hm.

Yes. 8D See, the thing is that I think I've always written Sean - especially post-cartographies - as being on this constant search for the kind of 'forever'. That is, he grows up watching his parents' relationship and he wants that kind of thing. If he can't have it, it's not a relationship. This causes so many problems for him, I can't even begin. 8D

Strictly keeping to Sean’s pov, it makes SO MUCH SENSE that he is so very hurt by this. And yet, everything Viggo says and does suggests something else (or at least something more), if Sean just weren’t too caught up in his own pov to notice.

HAHA omg you should read [livejournal.com profile] noalinnea's comment on this bit, because she basically reads Viggo's entire situation from the fight even though it's in Sean's POV. I'm just grinning here in sheer glee at the different perspectives.

Because Orlando’s not telling Sean because he thinks SEAN needs to know (because of whatever he and Viggo have) but because THE WORLD needs to know about Viggo’s odd deviant ways :D. Aside from it being hellishly funny, I really like how this therefore doesn’t seem like a staged intervention, but is just Orlando being a gossip.

YES. EXACTLY. I just don't like staged interventions, and Orlando being a gossip is totally believable, so yes. Just that. 8D!

He is my absolute hero just from this one sentence only (and I will now spend the rest of my day wailing because I want my Bernard to be exactly like that.

BERNARD IS SO DIFFICULT FOR ME TO WRITE YOU HAVE NO IDEA. I wanted to write his meeting with Sean and my brain blanked out of sheer terror. Oops. :3 So you only have a sentence, ahahaha. But I'm happy you like the sentence. 8D!
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2012-12-30 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
That is, he grows up watching his parents' relationship and he wants that kind of thing. If he can't have it, it's not a relationship.

Again, I love how you put this. It's heartbreakingly sweet and at the same time so very WRONG (again, I am before coffee and my brain is kind of a mess right now, but to mind comes a quote I once read about every idealist carrying the posibility of turning into a fanatist already inside of him. Sean is the posterboy for that.)

HAHA omg you should read noalinnea's comment on this bit, because she basically reads Viggo's entire situation from the fight even though it's in Sean's POV. I'm just grinning here in sheer glee at the different perspectives.

I did read her comment (I LOVE reading other people's comments :D) - and I saw that, too, even before reading her comment. Of course Viggo's hurt is in there and the reasons behind his words can be guessed.But I just think that it's not really SEAN'S fault that HE's not seeing them. Like I said, I am biased when it comes to Sean (as well as to Orlando), so when in doubt I will always pick his side. But I think it's something different here... Hm, how to put it. I think it ties in with what we said about Sean's view on relationships (always comparing it to what he thinks his parents' marriage is like): For that concept to work in one's head, one has to see the good in people - and (which is where the problem comes) maybe completely ignore the bad / the faults, but focus entirely on the good. Also I honestly can't STAND passive aggressiveness, even when I see where it's coming from. Sean imo doesn't even UNDERSTAND where it's coming from because he idealized Viggo (his friend, not his lover) the way he does it with people. Like I said in that comment about the mudslide incident and how Sean characterizes Orlando, he DOES that with people, and to me it makes him likable. And I can't help but think that Viggo should know that. I mean they ARE friends, after all. I understand that he is hurt and that he is lashing out, and yes, that makes sense. But I can't help it, I am angry on _Sean's_ behalf, not on Viggo's.

Hmmm, now I am thinking whether that is because I a. am biased as hell, b. can relate WAAAAY better to this version of Sean than this version of Viggo, or c. took that from the pov it's told in. I think it's all three but the most interesting thing of course is c. - I'm wondering whether the fact that this once again is FIRST told from Sean's pov and that Viggo only gets his say, something like 10k into the story, makes such a difference. I think it does, as it did with Grazed Knees for me. I am lodged in that pov at that point and even reading the "other" person's innermost secrets doesn't turn it around for me. Interesting...

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-12-30 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
It is interesting to see how POV does (or in Noa's case, does not) change the way something is read, doesn't it? 8D I did the POV change partly because I wanted to show Viggo's side of the relationship - a little like what I did with grazed knees, actually - and also because I wanted to add to the confusion about who is 'right' or 'wrong' within the relationship. The fun thing about fiction is that you can break into multiple people's heads and see how they actually view what is going on, and decide on that and judge them and the situation in a way you can't IRL. 8D Also because, unlike in half-life, it's not entirely about Sean, but about Sean and Viggo's relationship as a whole - that there is a relationship.

And I can't help but think that Viggo should know that. I mean they ARE friends, after all. I understand that he is hurt and that he is lashing out, and yes, that makes sense. But I can't help it, I am angry on _Sean's_ behalf, not on Viggo's.

The thing is, the way I see it, I do think that Viggo knows that about Sean. You don't have to be non-understanding about someone's actions to be angry at them, and you can still be pissed off at them even if you know where they are coming from. I think Viggo knows, on some level, what Sean is doing and what he is like, but he's still pissed off at him for doing that. Maybe also that he's even more angry because he knows what Sean is like and he is angry that Sean can't change himself for him, do you know what I mean? See, now I'm interpreting my own work as a reader because I wrote it all unconsciously. See what you have done? 8DDDD
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2012-12-30 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree 100% with you on why it is so much fun to write changing POVs. I do that in most of my stories, esp. the established relationship ones, but in Sport of Kings as well. The only time I didn't do it, that was Remedy - Orlando's and Sean's story; Bradley and Colin take turns. I did that to emphasize that the latter two ARE a couple whereas Orlando and Sean are not, are only in the process of becoming one. However, writing that story changed my perspective on POVs a lot I think. Sport of Kings, like I told you before I think, is changing povs from chapter to chapter, and I like that because I love both Sean and Orlando in this and WANT to be in their heads. But if I'm honest with myself, the story would be BETTER, quality wise, if I stuck to one pov. Changing back and forth creates the illusion that one (in this case the reader, but he is human, so humans in general) CAN get to know more than one person (read: more than oneself) inside out. And that imo just isn't the case. Ever since writing Remedy I always feel conflicted about changing povs because of that. On the one hand I WANT to create the possibility to see inside TWO heads, on the other hand I know it is just an illusion and it makes the story less real for me. - I think that is maybe why I stick with the person whose pov is told first. It would explain why I didn't "get" Viggo in Grazed Knees, because that one was SEAN'S story to me; but understood him in the sequel, which was entirely from Viggo's pov and hence HIS story. Does that make sense?

I agree with you and I think it makes Viggo a very interesting and very complex character. I can't say often enough how much I adore how you write him, his self-awareness and his amazing, amazing way to tie himself into knots with words perfectly chosen. I just don't LIKE him, you know? … I’m trying to phrase this more specifically, but interestingly enough, I end up sounding like VIGGO when I do it :DD. Because I’m all ‘yeah, so you can’t help being that way, and _I_ can’t help being pissed off because of it’. OMG, I am Viggo!

A little more seriously again, it’s very difficult to put into words what I mean. I think what I don’t get is that Viggo is so aware of what is happening and what it is doing to him and (even more importantly) what it WILL do to him, and yet he doesn’t do anything about it. He doesn’t tell Sean that they have to stop fucking because it’s fucking with his head, he doesn’t remove himself from the situation (it’s noble and all that, wanting to be there for his friend, but it is at the same time so unhealthy, so self-destructive). And I can’t help but fear that eventually it will make him bitter, it will make him want to blame it on someone (whether that is he, himself, or Sean isn’t even important). Like I said, it’s ultimately so very self-destructive, even though Viggo is good enough with words to even make himself believe that no, it isn’t, it still is in the end. And all I want to do is grab him by the shoulders and SHAKE him :).

And I think here specifically I am angry at him and not at Sean because if he KNOWS what is going on, then he has to fucking TELL Sean. If he knows that Sean doesn't get it, if he knows that Sean's doing most things "subconsciously" (that sounds like he is sleepwalking :) but you know what I mean), then the only way to do something about it is to tell him. I get why he doesn't; he thinks he has already invested too much, as already shown too much weakness, and that is understandable. I just think that at this point SEAN CAN'T do anything whereaas Viggo COULD. Which basically makes it his fault :).
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2012-12-29 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
“I said, I’m glad Aragorn isn’t pissed at Eomer anymore.”

Elegantly done, Karl.

If Sean started ragging him on it, Viggo didn’t know if he could stop himself from hitting him. Not when he had saw him with his hands smelling of Karl’s come. Viggo was aware that Sean wasn’t the only one who was acting like Orlando’s teenage ex-girlfriend.

Well, I wasn’t sure about this switch in povs to be honest. Because it maybe would’ve been more interesting to figure things (and by that my eloquent self means “Viggo’s side”) out alongside to Sean. But this paragraph still is awesome. God, Viggo could you be any more crippled with self-awareness?

He would deal with Sean when he came over. Not right now. Right now, he had a sky to chase.

Sure, Vig. Art’s as good an escape (and by that I mean: hiding place) as any.

“I know me faults alright, but I ain’t the one behaving worse than me ex-wife ‘bout having some fun with a friend when we are supposed to be mates.”

And the thing is? I actually BELIEVE him. He means that. Problem is that the world sadly isn’t as simple.

He had always been good with words; better at controlling them to make himself likeable.

God, I am so in love with that sentence.

That was an answer in itself, but Viggo didn’t want it. Maybe it was cowardice, but Viggo was far too good with words, and he knew that this was self-preservation.

I love this as well. So conflicted.

The violence terrified him

Yeah, me, too, at this point. Because this is exactly the problem, isn’t it? This entirely different view on what sex means. I think they are very much on the same wavelength when it comes to their friendship (sex excluded), so that’s not really the problem. It’s what sex means, what losing control means to Viggo, and what reasserting himself through sex means to Sean. (Aside from this, DAMN, this is hot.)

Sean was speechless now, reduced to grunts and moans and gasps as he leaned on his arms against the wall. Viggo took a vicious, triumphant joy in the sight of him,

Dangerous. Is all I’m saying.

Sean would be leaving soon, Viggo remembered. Maybe if he ignored his latest revelation, it would hide itself away and he wouldn’t have to think of it again.

Viggo, I don’t like you right now. Honestly. I know, given the choice I am ALWAYS siding with Sean, no matter what, but here again, I think it comes from the switched povs and the fact that we’ve been with Sean for the first half of the story, take on HIS perspective more than we can take on Vig’s, knowing about Sean’s (that sentence is a bit of a mess but I hope you get what I mean anyway). – It’s beautifully written, don’t get me wrong, and esp. Viggo’s thoughs and descriptions during the sex nearly break my heart. But in the end, I can’t help but agree with Sean, Viggo is the problem, or at least that’s what it feels like to me. Hmmmm.

(Damn you, I still haven’t had my coffee and it’s 12.00 and I have STUFF TO DO today. All I want to do however, is read on)

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-12-30 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
Elegantly done, Karl.

I just laughed so loudly at this because Karl is such a huge dork in this fic that the thought of him being elegant is hilarious. 8D

Sure, Vig. Art’s as good an escape (and by that I mean: hiding place) as any.

Ehehehehehe yes.

Because this is exactly the problem, isn’t it? This entirely different view on what sex means. I think they are very much on the same wavelength when it comes to their friendship (sex excluded), so that’s not really the problem. It’s what sex means, what losing control means to Viggo, and what reasserting himself through sex means to Sean.

Exactly. They have such different interpretations about what the sex means - what going to each other for sex means. This is when, I think, Viggo's nearly-cripping self-awareness and Sean's deliberate obliviousness clashes horribly with each other. Because the meaning of the sex is exactly the same - it's just that Viggo knows it, while Sean's the one denying it.

But in the end, I can’t help but agree with Sean, Viggo is the problem, or at least that’s what it feels like to me. Hmmmm.

You say Viggo's the problem, [livejournal.com profile] noalinnea thinks Sean is, and I'm just sitting here trying to not cackle really loudly like a Bond villain because this is exactly what I was going for. They are both at fault, really, and whoever you side is entirely up to you. 8D!
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2012-12-30 10:48 am (UTC)(link)
AAAAAAARGH. LJ ate my comment, which was like 1000 words long!! Let’s try this again.

Because the meaning of the sex is exactly the same - it's just that Viggo knows it, while Sean's the one denying it.

See, this is what I don’t believe. For other Seans of yours, yes, but not for this one.

His concept of love imo is rather close to the one of courtly love in the middle ages. In German literature we differentiate between “Hohe Minne” and “Niedere Minne” (Minne being the old word for love; ‘hohe Minne’ is basically identical with courtly love, whereas ‘niedere Minne’ might be translated as ‘common love’ maybe). The idea of Hohe Minne is to idealize a woman and worship her; she is all that is good in the world, is the embodiment of all values deemed good, is practically the Virgin Mary. She is NOT (which is where the bit about VIRGIN Mary ties in) there to have sex with. Because sex is something from this world, something animalistic and raw (not necessarily evil or dirty, but DIFFERENT). Now, even middle ages Germans had sex and wrote about it, that’s what Niedere Minne is for. Niedere Minne is basically dirty limericks about the passing delight that is fucking, nothing to feel bad about, just something to amuse yourself with. Both concepts existed alongside one another and in a way complemented one another, they did not, however, mingle.

Viggo’s concept of love is VASTLY different; it’s pretty much romanticism’s definition of love as something unique, shared by two individuals on all levels (physically as well as emotionally). If you just took Sean’s concept of “Hohe Minne”, they would work (I’m not saying that mutual idealization to the point of complete ignorance of reality is a healthy thing, but it at least would be the same for both of them). But take sex into the equation and it all goes to shambles.

In my eyes, to Sean sex is always a means to an end, whether that’s getting off, relieving stress, making babies, or comforting someone. It’s not bad or evil or anything, but it’s how I think he feels about it.

His reaction to Viggo and the bearded woman imo didn’t spring from simple jealousy, in that case it wouldn’t have interested me (jealousy is SUCH a boring trope). It sprung from something else. Now, Sean being so casual to have sex with Karl in a semi-public place, that I believe. Viggo unable to keep his fling with the bearded woman a secret, not so much. I think what made Sean so angry here wasn’t that Viggo was having sex with someone else, it was that in his opinion (because everything naturally is about Sean :)), Viggo did it to prove a point, to hurt him, to teach him a lesson. Sean knew, after their mountaintop conversation, that Viggo was royally pissed with him and I think by then he got that it was because of Karl (not that he really understood WHY Viggo was pissed about that, but he got that he WAS). So, to me, Sean wasn’t angry because he was jealous, he was angry because he thought Viggo was deliberately trying to hurt him the way he, Viggo, felt Sean had hurt him.
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[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-12-30 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
You should get Lazarus for Firefox. It's an add-on that saves all your forms, including comments. 8D Prevents LJ from eating them. Google it, lovely. ♥

.... I love you. /just sits here and listens. I really can't say anything other than that, because that's not what I was thinking while I was writing this, but just the depth you managed to find it in it utterly fascinating to me. I think it might be there for be unconsciously - I remember reading about Sean saying that women are 'mysterious' and he can't understand them, and that's the appeal of having relationships with them, which definitely sounds like a form of Hohe Minne for me - but not consciously. I deliberately didn't have Sean say what he actually thinks about Viggo sleeping with Isabelle mostly because it'll be fun to see how people interpret it, but also because I think Sean works on the level of the unconscious the most, whereas Viggo is almost entirely conscious of what he thinks and feels. Crippled by his self-awareness, in your own words. So for Sean to believe that Viggo did it deliberately to hurt him sounds exactly like how he would think, really. HMM. SEE NOW YOUR INTERPRETATION IS CHANGING HOW I THINK ABOUT MY OWN STUFF. HAVE I MENTIONED HOW MUCH I LOVE YOU? 8D /rolls around happily
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2012-12-30 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
SEE NOW YOUR INTERPRETATION IS CHANGING HOW I THINK ABOUT MY OWN STUFF. HAVE I MENTIONED HOW MUCH I LOVE YOU?

Can I just abandon the actual fic discussion for a moment and just tell you how awesome this is? Because I have the tendency to be a bit... radical with my point of view (and I wonder why I identify with Sean and not Viggo :D) and I know that people are very often offended by it because I make sure that it comes across that MY point is the ONLY VALID ONE EVER ;). I am honestly glad beyond words that you're not offended by me practically telling you what your characters are like :D. Basically, I love you.

Back to the fic. It's interesting that you say that most of Sean's actions are motivated by something he is not really aware of, definitely doesn't put into words. When I explain the concept of "Hohe Minne" to my kids, I always tell them that men/knights in the middle ages pretty much are like football hooligans. And if you're the local ruler that pretty much sucks for you because there's no way to control a bunch of hooligans. UNLESS you put a beautiful woman in front of them basically telling the hooligan that he's nice and everything but just that liiiittle bit too rough and barbaric to ever have a shot with her. And so the knight changes in order to get into the woman's knickers at first (which she never allows him to), which in the end changes his personality, however, and makes him a better person because eventually he will have internalised these values. It's interesting imo because for this to work, the knight CAN'T be aware of the concept itself. He HAS to think he has a shot with that woman, he WILL get to bed her eventually. And I think that again fits Sean. The problem for him isn't getting a woman to marry him, he does that by being tender and affectionate and really meaning it at the time. But since she "gives in" there's no need for him to stay the white knight after she has already said yes, is there?

Aaaah, I just love your writing.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-12-31 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
The problem for him isn't getting a woman to marry him, he does that by being tender and affectionate and really meaning it at the time. But since she "gives in" there's no need for him to stay the white knight after she has already said yes, is there?

HAHAHA oh God, when you put it that way everything sounds really horrid and Sean sounds like an absolute asshole, but I think you're right. It's the conquest and the 'winning' part that matters to him - that once he has that person, he trusts them more and he stops putting the effort into pretending. That's basically it, really. Whereas for Viggo, I think there's more of a strict conflict between what he thinks he should behave and how he wants to behave - which eventually comes out as a passive-aggression because there's no other way for his own irritations and resentments to come out, really. So I don't know- I think both of them are extremely human and normal in that they put on a different 'face' in front of people they want to win, but the manifestations of that face they put on differ and how long they do so also differ, and that's kind of where their miscommunications and conflicts take place.

/chews gently on your head. 8D
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[personal profile] afra_schatz 2012-12-31 08:52 am (UTC)(link)
Doesn't that mean that it comes down to one not pretending enough and the other one pretending too much? How interesting!

[identity profile] msdavidwenham.livejournal.com 2013-01-22 07:39 am (UTC)(link)
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It sounded like Karl and Orlando set up Viggo and Sean. On to part three to see if they are really good.